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Welcome! To the 2019 Eligibility Post!

This is the place to make your case for any canons that you know live in the gray area of "does this count as ten years old?" I will keep a running list here of the canons that I have decided on, one way or another.

When making your case, please include the canon's full name (as you would nominate it in the tagset), the date(s) of all the canon material that has been released, and your reasoning as to why I should accept it. Here's an example:

Ella Enchanted - Gail Carson Levine (1997)

A prequel, Ogre Enchanted, was published in 2018. While the events of Ogre take place in the same timeline/continuity, it follows a main character who did not appear in Ella. The main cast of Ogre is for the most part completely separate, apart from two characters (their identities being spoilers) who were extensively mentioned in Ella, but appeared only briefly in the original book. Therefore, I feel as if the two novels should be considered separate canons.

ETA 2/10/19: In cases of tie-in comics and novels, my rule of thumb is: 1. are the tie-ins well known? 2. are they by the same creators? and 3. does it clearly follow the original canon in terms of continuity/characters? If the answer is "no" to at least two of these, I won't consider them as disqualifying material. If you disagree with me about a particular judgment call, feel free to point out why - I'm not super familiar with everything, and Google can only do so much!

Reviewed Fandoms

Avatar: The Last Airbender - NOT ACCEPTED

Babylon 5 - ACCEPTED

Babysitter's Club (Ann M. Martin) - ACCEPTED

Band of Brothers (TV) - ACCEPTED

Batman Beyond (tv series) - ACCEPTED

Battlestar Galactica (TV) - ACCEPTED

Bewitched (TV) - ACCEPTED

Birds of Prey, Vol 1 - ACCEPTED

Blake's 7 (TV) - ACCEPTED

Carnivale (TV) - ACCEPTED

Cowboy Bebop (anime) - ACCEPTED

Dead Like Me (TV) - ACCEPTED

Doctor Quinn Medicine Woman - ACCEPTED

Excalibur (Comic) - ACCEPTED

Farscape (TV) - ACCEPTED

Final Fantasy VIII (1999) - ACCEPTED

Final Fantasy IX (2000) - ACCEPTED

Firefly (TV) - ACCEPTED

Gabriel (2007) - ACCEPTED

Harry Potter (J. K. Rowling) - NOT ACCEPTED

Hellsing (manga) - ACCEPTED

Highlander - ACCEPTED

Inuyasha - A Feudal Fairy Tale (manga) - ACCEPTED

The L Word (TV) - ACCEPTED

Man from UNCLE (TV) - ACCEPTED

Percy Jackson (book series) - NOT ACCEPTED

Practical Magic (1998) - ACCEPTED

The Pretender (TV) - ACCEPTED

Ravenous (1999) - ACCEPTED

Rurouni Kenshin (anime) - ACCEPTED

Sabrina the Teenage Witch (1996 - 2003) - ACCEPTED

Shoujo Kakumei Utena | Revolutionary Girl Utena (Anime) - ACCEPTED

Stargate Atlantis - ACCEPTED

Stargate SG-1 - ACCEPTED

Stargate Universe - NOT ACCEPTED
Star Trek: Voyager - ACCEPTED

Sweet Valley High/Confidential - NOT ACCEPTED

Sweet Valley Junior High/Twins/Senior Year/University - ACCEPTED

Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (TV) - ACCEPTED

Terminator (movie series) - NOT ACCEPTED

Xena Warrior Princess (TV) - ACCEPTED

Young Riders (TV) - ACCEPTED

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Flat | Top-Level Comments Only

From:

klutzygirl

I'm guessing it would be but is Sabrina The Teenage Witch (TV) eligible despite Chilling Adventures of Sabrina (TV 2018)?

From:

ficmod

Reboots don't count when they have totally different characters! (Well - they have the same names, in this case, but yeah - different show.)

Edited Date: 2019-02-13 05:58 pm (UTC)

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From:

vae

Would Firefly be eligible, please? The follow on movie was in 2005, but there have been a small number of comics after 2009. They do follow the original continuity, but they're nowhere near as well known as the TV series or movie.

From:

ficmod

Firefly is fine!

Re: Firefly

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vae - Date: 2019-02-13 08:12 pm (UTC) - Expand

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lady_katana4544

Would the Band of Brothers tv miniseries or the 1992 book from which the tv miniseries is based on be eligible for this exchange?

The tv miniseries started and ended in 2001, it focuses on a paratrooper company during world war 2 from their training to be paratroopers to the fighting in Europe until it ended. The writing of the book is based on interviews that the author did with the surviving veterans from that war at a reunion they were having.

Edited Date: 2019-02-13 05:05 pm (UTC)

From:

ficmod

None of this is past 2009 so you're good!

From:

paynesgrey

Moonlight (Tv) ended 2008

Moonlight TV show ran for only one season on CBS. It began on September 28, 2007 and ran until cancelled on May 16, 2008. It had no other canon outside of this one season. It has only been seen on reruns of various syndicated TV networks. I believe this is eligible.

Earth2 (TV)

Earth2 is a short lived scifi TV show on NBC that ran from November 1994 to June 1995. There are three tie in novels to this series, the last book published on May 1995. There is no other canon outside of the TV series or the books, so this should be eligible.

From:

ficmod

If there's no canon past 2009 then it's fine.

From:

kingstoken

The animated series that ended in 1997, I know there have been several versions of the X-Men since, but no continuation of this storyline, as far as I know. Would this be eligible?

From:

ficmod

Yep, that's fine!

From:

doranwen

This isn't an eligibility question but I noticed you hadn't approved my 1-800-Missing fandom, and I wanted to clarify why I nominated it as 1-800-Missing and not the canonical Missing | 1-800-Missing that it is on AO3.

See, the first season was titled 1-800-Missing, starring Caterina Scorsone as Jess Mastriani - and Gloria Reuben as Brooke Haslett and Justina Machado as Sunny Estrada. Then Gloria Reuben left the show to be a singer and they replaced not only the main theme, they got rid of Justina Machado (and pretty much every other actor except for the main actress Caterina Scorsone), changed the title, changed the lead char's job, changed the *location* of the show, got rid of the main char's family (in that they're never seen again)… Basically, the only thing that they *kept* was the main character's name and gift. It's like they're two different shows which just happen to share that.

So I've nominated it before for Yuletide (and maybe another exchange, I can't remember) as 1-800-Missing, specifically, because I want fic about any of those three characters (Jess, Brooke, or Sunny - or any combo of the three, pretty much). With OR matching on every exchange (except for Yuletide, I think that's the only exception I've seen yet), someone could theoretically match on Jess and decide to write me S2 or S3 fic for the Missing show, with the totally different job and all the other chars different - and I would not want that at ALL! Which is why I nominate it as 1-800-Missing to make it clear that it's a separate fandom from Missing.

What I probably *should* have done, however, is to mark it with (TV) after it to make it clear that it's not the book series by the same name (which is considerably different than the TV show).

Sorry for any confusion this may have caused, and I hope this clears things up for you.

From:

ficmod

No worries - yeah, I was holding off on that one until I could clarify if you meant to nominate the TV series or the books, because I wasn't sure. Thanks for letting me know!

From:

mizface

due South (TV, 1994-1999)

Scarecrow and Mrs. King (TV, 1983-1987)

Brimstone (TV, 1998-1999)

From:

ficmod

These are well under the 2009 cut off, you're fine.

From:

eratoschild

I’d like to nominate Star Trek Enterprise, for which the series finale aired in 2005. There have been novels based on the show in more recent years but they are not considered canon.

From:

ficmod

Enterprise is already in the tagset. :)

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From:

redrikki

What about the DC animated universe including Batman the Animated Series, Batman Beyond, Superman Adventures, Justice League, and Justice League Unlimited? It's all the same continuity and ran from 1992-2006. There have been other DC animated things since then, but they're all in a different continuity/universe.

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ficmod

I will count the DC animated series as its own canon, since it's a separate continuity. :)

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cookiegirl

Hi, what's the situation with Buffy the Vampire Slayer please? The last episode was sixteen years ago; there have been graphic novels since then (a lot!) which do follow the same characters but in my opinion they are wildly different in tone on content, and i notice Angel, which has also had graphic novels, has been approved?

From:

ficmod

Buffy's fine, I won't count the comics since they're both a) different creators and b) less well known. :)

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reine_des_corbeaux

Hi! I'm wondering what the rules are in terms of things which fit the eligibility standards in terms of when they were created, but were translated more recently. So, for example, would a medieval epic that's been most recently translated in say, 2014, be eligible?

From:

ficmod

I wouldn't count a translation as qualifying material, no. You're good!

From:

binary_sunset

I'd like to nominate Watchmen! Both the original comic (1985) and the movie adaptation (2009) fall within the 10 year rule.

Before Watchmen (2012) and Doomsday Clock (2017) are both more recent and break the rule, but I'd argue that they shouldn't count as canon. Moore and Gibbons haven't worked on either series, and they contain content that actively contradicts the canon set up in the original serial.

From:

ficmod

Agreed - Watchmen is fine. :)

From:

raine

What about:
Dark Angel (2000–2002), which starred Jessica Alba
The Sentinel (1996-1999) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115351/?ref_=nv_sr_3
Due South (1994–1999) https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108756/?ref_=nv_sr_1
...the last two still have active fandoms and may make matching easier.

From:

ficmod

Due South is already in the tagset, and the other two are well within the ten year mark, you're fine.

Re: Dark Angel, The Sentinel, Due South

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raine - Date: 2019-02-18 12:48 am (UTC) - Expand

From:

the_rck

This is a 10 book series. The 10th book was published in 1991, and Zelazny died in 1995. He wrote a handful of related short stories. The last of those was published around 2005.

The author's estate authorized a prequel series written by John Gregory Betancourt. These are not generally considered canon. Even if they were, the most recent of those was published in 2005.

I got the exact dates from the Wikipedia article on The Chronicles of Amber: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronicles_of_Amber

From:

the_rck

Weiss Kreuz is one of those tangled and multimedia anime/manga series. Parts of it aren't available legally in English.

The last episode of the anime was aired in February of 2003. The manga that followed it wasn't released in the US and is only available in English via scanlations. That manga, Weiss: Side B, ceased publication in August of 2007.

The Wikipedia page for Weiss Kreuz is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wei%C3%9F_Kreuz

The drama CDs mentioned in the article are, to the best of my knowledge, only available in English via fan translations. I'm having trouble finding dates on them, but I'm fairly sure that they all pre-date the end of Side B. The site that hosted fan translations of them is no longer there. The last ones on the Wikipedia list all relate to Weiss Kreuz: Gluhen, the second anime series which finished airing in 2003.